Islanders trade Guerin for conditional pick to Pens

Updated 12:05:
The wavier claim list was announced from Tuesday, Jon Sim was not mentioned at all Miroslav Satan was not claimed. A few waivers were claimed, none by Garth Snow.

Newsday: Mr Logan in the Islanders blog at Newsday has more speculation on Bill Guerin while Trent Hunter comments on the leadership or young players on the roster while Doug Weight speaks about his relationship with general manager Garth Snow and what's ahead for him.

Hunter's comments were from Tuesday's optional practice.

Also included is another link to live video coverage.

Sportnet feed is only for Canada, but their widget is tracking live trades.


Updated 2:45pm
Islanders website: Has details of Guerin to Pittsburgh for conditional 5th that at best can become a third round pick.


Updated 3:00pm
Mr Botta reported Sim was sent to Bridgeport and Nate Thompson was activated.

Newsday: Mr Logan in the Islanders Newsday blog looks at the Guerin trade and has some classy words about him and noted the trade conditions are as follows:

The Islanders get Tampa Bay's fifth round pick from Pittsburgh for Bill Guerin. If the Penguins make the playofss, the Isles get the Penguins' fourth-round pick. If the Pens win a round and Guerin plays at least 50 percent of the games, then, the Isles get Pitt's third-round pick. That's it.


Newsday: Mr Logan also had Bill Guerin's comments from his Tsn interview upon being traded to Pittsburgh and confirmed Mr Botta's report of Sim to Bridgeport.

Daily News: Peter Botte has Bill Guerin's Tsn interview and an article on the trade deadline for New York with Sim-Thompson exchange.


NYI Fan Central Comments:
Even considering the market Garth Snow did not do very well here based on how a few second rounders got passed around for plays like Recchi or the players from the Leafs.

Of course the cap prevented a lot of deals.

Best of luck to Bill Guerin moving forward.

Thanks to everyone on the live chat, nice job.

Islander News Articles 3/4-TRADE DEADLINE

Added in Tsn rss feed even if we get a few non-hockey stories. Once deadline heats up it will be all hockey trades.

Live Radio links added to a second spot with coverage usually starting around 9am.

Tsn.ca: Had a staff 2am update on some of the potential players to be traded that did not include any New York Islanders.

Newsday: Greg Logan/Katie Strang report on the trade deadline with more speculation about on Bill Guerin's destination who the beatwriter says contact has been very limited with while Doug Weight had the following from the Islanders optional practice Monday:

"I don't want to speak for Billy. It's been a crazy year. The last 72 hours, the situation kind of spun out of control a little bit with him and it's unfortunate.

"Everyone's trying to do the right thing and he's stuck at home and that stinks. But Billy's professional and we'll all get through it and Wednesday, we'll find out what team and what destination we're all gonna be whether it's here or somewhere else."

If the Islanders can't complete a deal for Guerin, his return could be awkward?
"It's strange right now but it'll take all of 10 minutes," Weight said of the adjustment. "He's easy to get along with and he's got the respect of everyone in the room. It wouldn't be a problem at all."

Also reported Trent Hunter has a walking cast on his left ankle, but he said it's not broken.

NYI Fan Central Comments:
I guess that means the Islanders did not lie and violate league policy Saturday when Hunter took warmups and they reported an injury, right Mr Logan?

For myself, Garth Snow has an obligation to improve his hockey team, if Bill Guerin being traded or sat is part of this to help improve his roster.

It's also Garth Snow's job to listen to all offers or he would not be doing his job properly.

Doug Weight is correct that's it's been a crazy year for the Islanders, however considering his earlier praise for Gordon, how he was traded and then a healthy scratch for Anaheim last season with the media writing him off, why did he give what bordered on ultimatums (to me) a few times in the media about his playing time?

Did he do that to Brian Burke or their head coach last year when he was on their fourth line or outright benched?

I have no doubt Weight will be classy and professional (as Guerin will) but those comments a while ago took me aback. He can say whatever he likes but the Islanders may have helped extend his career and were very classy about his honoring him when he hit a thousand points. Scott Gordon gave him a role here few teams would have and Weight's repaid them with some very good production.

Giving him that spot on the left powerplay point was a big reason Chris Campoli was not on that side with Mark Streit last fall before Kyle Okposo starting playing that side on the powerplay.

Sure, it's been a terrible year in terms of the standings. Everyone should be very frustrated about that or they would not be the right players to turn it around moving forward.

Newsday: Mike Casey in Newsday's hockey blog (written at times by Mark Herrmann) reports the following players were scrachted Tuesday.

Florida's Nick Boynton, Atlanta's Eric Perrin (waivers), Columbus' Michael Peca and Tampa Bay's Marek Malik and Mark Recchi.

NYI Fan Central Comments:
Mr Casey incorrectly reported Hagman was a healthy scratch but corrected himself than wrote Guerin sat out the last three games when he only sat twice so caveat emptor with a lot of stuff written even by the media at this time because everyone is rushing or over-speculating and in this case making outright sloppy mistakes.

Columbus Dispatch/several outlets: Tom Reed and Aaron Portzline also reported Michael Peca was injured in a recent game so Mr Casey got that wrong also.

Even I knew that one a few days ago.

NY Post: Dan Martin writes the trade deadline is now a " fiasco " for the Islanders as he repeated Doug Weight's comments to Newsday in an article on Bill Guerin.

Ct Post: Michael Fornabaio recaps Bridgeport's 3-1 loss at home to Norfolk with Trevor Smith, head coach Jack Capauno and goaltender Peter Mannino with blog coverage here.

Mr Fornabaio also reported it was not clear if winger Jesse Joensuu would stay in Bridgeport or return to New York but was in Bridgeport on tuesday. Goalie Nathan Lawson sat out with a sore shoulder.

Trevor Smith had Bridgeport's goal.

Norfolk Virginian Pilot: Paul White likely was not dispatched for the trip to Bridgeport but here is the link to Admirals coverage.

No Trade Clauses Updated

Quick review of all players with NTC (no trade clauses) for those who see a name in the endless rumors/speculation.

Vinnie LeCavalier signed an 11-year, $86.5 million contract extension that commences next season, but his no-trade clause in the new contract doesn't take effect until July 1 this summer. So there is, technically, nothing to prevent the Lightning, if they so choose, from trading Lecavalier before the March 4 trade deadline despite ownership assurances he will not be dealt.

Here is a list of the rest of the players with NTC.
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ANAHEIM DUCKS
Jean-Sebastien Giguere, G
Todd Marchant, C
Teemu Selanne, RW

ATLANTA THRASHERS
Ron Hainsey, D
Slava Kozlov, LW

BOSTON BRUINS
P.J. Axelsson, RW/LW
Zdeno Chara, D
Marc Savard, C
Marco Sturm, LW

BUFFALO SABRES
Ryan Miller, G

CALGARY FLAMES
Adrian Aucoin, D
Jarome Iginla, RW
Miikka Kiprusoff, G
Robyn Regehr, D

CAROLINA HURRICANES
Scott Walker, RW
Niclas Wallin, D

CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS
Brian Campbell, D

COLORADO AVALANCHE
Adam Foote, D
Scott Hannan, D
Milan Hejduk, RW
John-Michael Liles, D
Ryan Smyth, LW

COLUMBUS BLUE JACKETS
Mike Commodore, D
Fredrik Modin, LW
DALLAS STARS
Sean Avery, RW
Jere Lehtinen, RW/LW
Mike Modano, C
Brendan Morrow, RW
Brad Richards, C
Darryl Sydor D
Marty Turco, G
Sergei Zubov, D

DETROIT RED WINGS
Dan Cleary, RW
Pavel Datsyuk, C
Kris Draper, C
Marian Hossa, RW
Nicklas Lidstrom, D
Brian Rafalski, D
Brad Stuart, D

EDMONTON OILERS
Sheldon Souray, D
Lubomir Visnovsky, D

FLORIDA PANTHERS
Keith Ballard, D
Bryan McCabe, D
Tomas Vokoun, G

LOS ANGELES KINGS
Michal Handzus,C

MINNESOTA WILD
Niklas Backstrom, G

MONTREAL CANADIENS
Roman Hamrlik, D
Saku Koivu, C
Georges Laraque, RW
Andrei Markov, D
Alex Tanguay, LW/RW

NASHVILLE PREDATORS
Jason Arnott, C
J.P. Dumont, RW
David Legwand, C

NEW JERSEY DEVILS
Marty Brodeur, G
Patrik Elias, LW
Jamie Langenbrunner, RW
Jay Pandolfo, RW
Brian Rolston, RW
Colin White, D

NEW YORK ISLANDERS
Bill Guerin, RW

RANGERS
Chris Drury, C
Scott Gomez, C
Markus Naslund, RW
Wade Redden, D
Michal Rozsival, D

OTTAWA SENATORS
Daniel Alfredsson, RW
Mike Fisher, RW
Dany Heatley, RW
Filip Kuba, D
Chris Phillips, D

PHILADELPHIA FLYERS
Martin Biron, G
Daniel Briere, C
Simon Gagne, LW/RW
Scott Hartnell, RW
Kimmo Timonen, D

PHOENIX COYOTES
Shane Doan, RW
Ed Jovanovski, D

PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
Sergei Gonchar, D
Brook Orpik, D

SAN JOSE SHARKS
Dan Boyle, D
Mike Greir, RW
Joe Thornton, C
Patrick Marleau, C
Evgeni Nabokov, G

ST. LOUIS BLUES
Eric Brewer, D
Barret Jackman, D
Paul Kariya, LW
Keith Tkachuk, C/RW

TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING
Martin St. Louis

TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS
Niklas Hagman, RW/LW
Tomas Kaberle, D
Pavel Kubina, D

VANCOUVER CANUCKS
Roberto Luongo, G
Mattias Ohlund, D
Sami Salo, D
Mats Sundin, C
Willie Mitchell, D

WASHINGTON CAPITALS
Michael Nylander, C

Quick NYIFC Trade Deadline Notables

Our live blog on 3/4 from 1pm-4pm during the deadline is still on at this time but will be considered tentative down until the final day because of family issues.

If I'm here we will have it for everyone wishing to stop in and talk New York Islanders starting at 1pm and going to about 4pm.

Either way New York Islander Fan Central is ready with features to follow the trade deadline here for everyone.

All live, radio, television, trade tracker links from the various sites are on the sidebar. A sidebar widget has a trade tracker that is active, a new feed was added to the crawl today because the other one had Senators trade when it was with the New York Islanders.

For this blog the New York Islanders are the headline team. For now we'll go with NHL news which may have a few other items but give us trades and transactions which have already started.

I'll see if we can improve that as the deadline comes closer. I may add even more crawls on deadline day but it will only be credible news outlets which I think we have almost all of them represented.


Twitter is active for NYIFC
I added the new RSS Feed to the inactive Twitter page I made for NYIFC months ago and put the link up for anyone who wishes to find it and comment there as well comment/e-mail here.

Only updates that will go there are feeds from here.

If I think of more things or more items are made available I will add them to the sidebar in our trade deadline section.

Thank You.

Value of Islanders in potential trades will come 3/4 at 3pm

I have read a lot about the value of many Islander players in potential trades vs resigning them or simply not moving them at all and seeing where it goes into the summer.

At the end of the day when 3/4 comes we will get our answers, most of the talk is just that.

As usual I suspect the game will go on until the final hour in most cases. We know like last year (and unlike two years ago) this is a deeper draft with first round picks being of greater value and harder to obtain.

At least for now.

Value is a funny kind of thing when a deadline hits and a general manager feels he/they (Dallas Stars) case must make a move to win a cup and has limited choices with rumors of the general manangers job in the balance. All of a sudden a player who may only be worth a third round pick for months is worth a second or a first when 2:30pm hits and options are closing fast.

Look at Adam Foote a year ago and what Colorado gave up to get him back? I can easily see at least this much for Brendan Witt as a return considering he is under contract for two more years and has good value for a playoff team.

I have no idea what Garth Snow will do or what direction he will go in terms of his veterans, this is not last year where he was a few points out a playoff spot and would have been foolish in my estimation to simply dump veteran players while still in realistic contention and had no control over Satan's NTC.

Oh sure, teams were lining up to give Snow a first rounder for Ruslan Fedotenko, and Josef Vasicek.

LOL.

Garth Snow has no control of Bill Guerin's NTC who may need some notice if presented with a trade or if it's been discussed. He may have already told his gm he will not accept any trade or left it open for next week.

Doug Weight if the doctors estimates are correct should be ready for the playoffs, he may or may not be in play or Snow is looking to bring him back.

I also do not see all the younger, smaller forwards returning even if they are prospects. This roster badly needs some size and the gm has a very tough call to make there with Bergenheim, Tambellini, Comeau, Park, Hilbert and Nielsen.

Value is going to go up and down, it's never as easy as these articles done in advance when final decision times comes under pressure.

Ask me on 3/4 at 3pm, that's when we will know the value.

My final thoughts on Isles and trade deadline

First rounders were too valuable to give up in this draft class for practically all of the clubs. Anyone who had expectations of that for Satan or Fedotenko could tell it was not going to work that way for any club this year.

At the end of the day I think the Isles picked their posion between being bullied without Chris Simon vs giving Jeff Tambellini the rest of the season and improving this teams speed and offensive skill that is badly needed in this lineup.

I think the Isles made the right call here.

I was shocked the Isles moved Simon after such a strong show of public support for him the last year but even Simon himself was looking for a change. I have no doubt Charles Wang, Ted Nolan and Garth Snow and the club stood by him because for as long as they did because they felt it was the right thing to do. I disagreed with letting him return to the ice but I respect them for taking responciblity and the loyality they showed. Simon now is back in the league with another chance and the respect for him from many of the players speak for itself. I wish him luck.

A year ago the New York Islanders badly needed a shot from the point from the powerplay and acquired Marc-Andre Bergeron, who without his great shot would not have made the playoffs a year ago. Today they are back in the position they were before that deal (without Chris Campoli) and for all the criticism made about his defense at times did a lot better than he got credit for.

I have no doubt the Isles last night against Pittsburgh with Bergeron would have scored with his big shot or it would have produced a rebound goal. It may also have produced a turnover for a shorthanded goal but to me it was a risk still worth taking for the rest of the season and a deal that could be fatal down the stretch.

Brian Burke has Pronger, Niedemayer and added him to his depth chart for the same reasons, sing no sad songs for Bergeron unless he rides the bench in Anaheim because he's going to a cup contender who could repeat.

Isles now have Freddy Meyer, Bryan Berard, Bruno Gervais and Radek Martinek as their powerplay defenders. If this were done to give Dustin Kohn or an incoming pp quarterback a spot, I could see it.

I'm having a hard time seeing this for the same reasons a year ago Ted Nolan said he had to aquire a shot from the point for the powerplay. A third rounder is not going to help now.

I hope subtracting his defense was worth it.

Overall every team in this division added and those are clubs Isles have to play for most of the rest of the season.
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Good hockey trades around the league and a few shockers.

Colorado-Columbus: They gave a conditional first rounder for Adam Foote? He's not that good a defender anymore.

Atlanta-Pittsburgh: Don Waddell get's back his first rounder from a year ago and Angelo Esposito with some solid depth players. Pittsburgh goes for the cup with Hossa and a returning Crosby/Roberts. Kovalchuk cannot be happy with losing Hossa because he's loaded with skill.

Washington-Montreal: Strangest deal of the day, the Corey Price era begins, the Olaf Kolzig era of being number one ends. George McPhee traded like his job was on the line today and went for it which hurts the Isles but it may not work.

Buffalo-San Jose: Steve Bernier and a first rounder is a good return, but why can't Darcy Regier ever open the bank at the right time? This is how he got himself in the same spot with his free agents last summer. A full commitment to Campbell should have been made just like Tampa did with Boyle.

Rangers-Phoenix: Sather calls up Don Maloney and trades Montoya to a club that seemed to solve it's goaltending problems earlier this year long-term? Not exactly upcoming stars in return.

Tampa Bay-Dallas: That's a heck of a hockey deal from both sides. Tampa addresses it's goaltending with Mike Smith and uses Richard's money to lock up Boyle while adding some good sandpaper players while Dallas get's some major speed and skill to go with Modano and the veterans.

Chicago-Ottawa: Martin Lapoite for a sixth rounder, how the mighty have fallen since he got that big contract.

Toronto-Impossible to blame Cliff Fletcher for players not moving no trade clauses they had negotiated into their contracts. He did what he could with little to move and got a few picks.

Tuesday confirmed NHL Trades/Transactions

10:50am
Tsn.ca: Reports
the New Jersey Devils have acquired defenceman Bryce Salvador from the St. Louis Blues for forward Cam Janssen. Salvador, 32, has 11 points and 43 penalty minutes in 56 games this season.

This thread will have all non-Islander moves updated through the day.
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Updated 11:15pm
Tsn.ca: Reports the Toronto Maple Leafs have trade forward Wade Belak to the Florida Panthers for a 2008 fifth round pick.here.
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Updated 11:30am



Tsn.ca reports Brian Campbell was traded to San Jose for Steve Bernier and a first round pick here.
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Updated 11:45am
Tsn.ca reports the Tampa Bay Lightning have agreed to trade one of their 'Big Three' forwards, sending centre Brad Richards and goaltender Johan Holmqvist to the Dallas Stars for goalie Mike Smith, centre Jeff Halpern and winger Jussi Jokinen. here.
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Updated 11:52pm
Tsn.ca reports the Montreal Canadiens have traded goaltender Cristobal Huet to the Washington Capitals for a second-round draft pick. Huet, 32, has a 21-12-6 record and 2.56 goals-against average this season with a .916 save percentage. here.
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Updated 12:20pm
Tsn.ca reports the Colorado Avalanche have acquired defenceman Ruslan Salei from the Florida Panthers for defenceman Karlis Skrastins and a third-round draft pick here.

Tsn.ca reports The Chicago Blackhawks have traded forward Tuomo Ruutu to the Carolina Hurricanes for winger Andrew Ladd here.
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Updated 12:37pm
Ottawa Citizen: Reports Martin LaPointe was traded to Ottawa from the Chicago Black Hawks for a sixth round pick.
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Updated 1:05pm
Tsn.ca: Reports
The Columbus Blue Jackets have traded veteran defenceman Adam Foote to the Colorado Avalanche for a conditional 1st round pick.
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Updated 1:16pm:
Tsn.ca Reports
Columbus Blue Jackets have traded centre Sergei Fedorov to the Washington Capitals for blueline prospect Theo Ruth.
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Updated 1:43pm
Sportsnet: Reports Vancouver traded Matt Cooke to Washington for forward Matt Pettinger.
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Tsn.ca: Reports the The Atlanta Thrashers traded Marian Hossa and winger Pascal Dupuis to the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for prospect Angelo Esposito, forwards Colby Armstrong and Erik Christensen and a first-round pick.

Other confirmed deals announced at deadline:
Rangers acquire Christian Backman from Blues for a fourth round draft pick.
Leafs trade Kilger to the Florida Panthers on Tuesday for a 2008 third round draft pick.

The Toronto Maple Leafs have traded defenceman Hal Gill to the Pittsburgh Penguins for a second-round pick in 2008 and a fifth round pick in 2009.

The San Jose Sharks announced Tuesday that the team has signed goaltender Brian Boucher to a one-year contract.

The Rangers and Phoenix Coyotes pulled off a multi-player deal with the Coyotes sending forwards Fredrik Sjostrom and Josh Gratton and goaltender David Leneveu to the Rangers for forward Marcel Hossa and netminder Al Montoya.

The Detroit Red Wings added Brad Stuart from the Los Angeles Kings for a pair of draft picks.

Nashville Acquire Time (ET) Anaheim Acquire
F - BRANDON BOCHENSKI 4:30 PM FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS

Nashville Acquire Time (ET) Tampa Bay Acquire
F - JAN HLAVAC 3:49 PM 7TH ROUND PICK

Atlanta Acquire Time (ET) Washington Acquire
F - JOE MOTZKO 3:32 PM F - ALEX GIROUX

Anaheim Acquire Time (ET) Los Angeles Acquire
G - JEAN-SEBASTIEN AUBIN 3:25 PM 7TH ROUND PICK

NYI Fan Central Trade Deadline Plan

The final choices have been made and the plans for the deadline day coverage at New York Islander Fan Central are official. Let's hope the Isles do not mess with my page header and trade some of those players on the right side of the header.

Big changes to New York Islander Fan Central blog for the deadline. All of these features will be removed after it's over but I think we are setup very well to cover the deadline. As always all hockey comments are welcome on the blog and message board for those who would like to talk about whatever happens.

What's New?
**Countdown clock added with some bouncing things but color format works.
**Sportsnet trade tracker added to sidebar for announced trades.
**Poll closes at 3pm on sidebar Tuesday.
**NHL Trade Center added with direct links to the trade pages of the most reliable sites added.
**Islanders website crawler added to top of page for updates.
**Spector's Hockey crawler added to top of page for confirmed trades.
* TSN widget added to sidebar that includes NYI.com/NHL.com/Sportsnet.com updates.

**Removed after deadline

What's out?
*NHL scoreboard taken down for faster page loading.
* NYI Fan Central crawler taken down, feedburner for this blogs updates remains.

*Back on blog after deadline passes.

Here is the plan
Monday's format:
* I will have one blog for any incoming trades announced if any major deals are made Islanders or otherwise and add updates to the one blog posting.
* If nothing major happens I will do a Islanders/Sound Tigers/NHL notables late afternoon or early tonight when I can.
* Check blog feeders for all late night updates if you visit. Mr Logan had a blog after 10pm last night. Mr Botta, Mr Witt and Mr Fornabaio all could update at any time.

Islanders invited all blog box members to work from the Coliseum tomorrow starting at 11am so check their blogs for the latest word inside the Coliseum here.

My Format Tuesday will include the following:
* Daily articles to start coverage.
* Two blogs that will be updated constantly as all trades are confirmed, one for the Islanders, one for all other trades so keep checking back. Obviously the NHL blog will have the most updates.
* Isles centric blog will be added when/if they make a signing or trade, there is a chance we may not need one but if nothing happens I will do one blog with the Isles statement.

* Islander moves will have NYI Fan Central Comments, other trades will depend on time I have. At the end of that blog Isles statement will be posted.

* Islesnation chatroom 1pm-3pm but will be in and out.
* Islesnation talkshow 3pm-4-4:30pm here
* Isles vs Pens game preview posted 5pm/same for message board.
* Isles vs Pens recap 10pm or Wednesday morning.

Wednesday:
* Islesnation recap message and code to show for those who missed it.
* Daily Articles/game results/trade reaction from players ect.
* Poll results.
* Final trade deadline thoughts if time allows.(late afternoon)
* PM Isles/SoundTigers NHL notables if time allows. (late afternoon)
* Changes to roster/prospect sections on sidebar if time allows. (likely Thursday)

My thanks as always to Mr Prospects for the great job he does on the message board for everyone with game updates on Isles prospects in the system and my thanks to everyone for the great support this blog has received and of course the Islanders for including this blog on the website.